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  Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

  by Anna Marina in

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  wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

  since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

  recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

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  Yup and that puts them in pole position to compel members to be marked with the number 666. Just another bit of new light.
  
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  JWs just called at my daughter's house and said the end is near because .....

  by Xanthippe in

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  the world is getting worse, for example children are getting more cheeky!.

  proof positive!

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  My suggestion for a reply is, "well I think you are being cheeky coming to my door and I bet even you have serious misgivings about what you are doing. Also I bet you wonder what on earth people think of you. Please leave your leaflet in the green wheelie bin. Thank you. Good bye."

  Could also have said, "what are you doing here? Aren't you supposed to be chained to a trolley in the High Street?"
  
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  Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

  by Anna Marina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

  since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

  recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

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  I could never get my head round the bit where they implied God's will hadn't been done in heaven until Satan was cast out.

  Kind of boggled the mind in relation to the Lord's prayer where you say, "thy will be done on earth AS it is in heaven."

  Not that they say the Lord's prayer much - actually I don't recall it ever being said at the KH except maybe an extract in someone's answer or a WT paragraph.
  
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  Governing Body - Time in Ministry

  by Peeringin in

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  is there any transparency in how many hours on the ministry the governing body members do on the ministry?

  by this i mean the physical act of going door to door in their area.

  i guess it is plausible that they would count overseas trips and working on publications as part of their ministry, but this is not what they encourage from the jw on the street.. is it possible for a gb member to be reproved or otherwise for not going out in service?

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  I felt I was offered a golden ticket so to speak. Just keep saying you are a pioneer and you don't need to do any hours. But we'll have you on the platform and every convention and assembly.

  The offer was partly made to me and given the circumstances I read the rest into the offer. I was troubled by it because it was as if I was being asked to compromise my conscience to be a Z-list celebrity. As if I even wanted that, even if it was A-list celeb status.

  My hand was being gently patted at the time and warm encouragement was being given. So I pulled my hand away and stood down from being a pioneer. I was disgusted.
  
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  Debate

  by gabcol in

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  back in the day, russell and rutherford would hold debates with other religious leaders.

  why has jehovah's witnesses stopped doing that?

  i think it would be very interesting to see how they would hold up on a debate now.

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  HI Giordano

  They've taken to the green issues now, big time. It's all melting polar ice caps and honey bees. Save the planet, aim at the students.
  
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  Video stream of D/Convention this year?

  by BluesBrother in

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  i wonder if anyone has a link to an uninterrupted stream of the district convention sessions this year.?

  in times past they were all on youtube or a site called wts archive..... but not this time.

  has anybody got more information?

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  The grey chairs at the end of that video about what goes on behind the scenes filming - they look exactly like the chairs used at the conventions I've attended. Wonder who the chair supplier is? They must be doing good business.
  
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  Debate

  by gabcol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in the day, russell and rutherford would hold debates with other religious leaders.

  why has jehovah's witnesses stopped doing that?

  i think it would be very interesting to see how they would hold up on a debate now.

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  Hi Smiddy - be interesting to know what happened to Brother Kinnimouth.

  There were some with excellent Bible knowledge. Its as if you come in thinking all is well, then slowly realise you have been brought in to have a gag put on you. Once you realise that and the pressure starts to come, you either shut up or get out.
  
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  Debate

  by gabcol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in the day, russell and rutherford would hold debates with other religious leaders.

  why has jehovah's witnesses stopped doing that?

  i think it would be very interesting to see how they would hold up on a debate now.

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  Anna Marina

  They wouldn't even debate with the prophet Daniel. They'd just ask him who the heck he thought he was.
  
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  Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

  by Anna Marina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

  since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

  recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

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  Someone way back in the 1980s worked out that as the invisible ruler of the world is Satan and given Jesus didn't really return/become invisibly present in 1914 - that means 1914 can be used as a mask to put over Satan to try to spin it that he is Jesus. The ultimate, "Satan keeps disguising himself as an angel of righteousness."
  

  In addition to this, I wonder if they'll say that just as Nebuchadnezzar lost his mind for 7 times, so did Jesus. But he got his senses back in 1914.

  Take it one step further, maybe it'll get spun as, "in 1914 Jesus was hurled out of heaven."

  I wouldn't put this sort of nonsense beyond them.
  
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  Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

  by Anna Marina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

  since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

  recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

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  Anna Marina

  WBTS rewrites/carefully edits their own history. Since 2005, I have been through a lot with with WBTS. Recently I came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said Satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.

  In my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "Satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore World War I started."

  I can't guarantee that they will rewrite this doctrine but, if you have relatives who are PIMI and hold firmly to this belief, why not ask them (if they'll talk to you) how they would feel if WBTS denied ever saying Satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914. Especially if they start blaming the rank and file for making it up - or maybe they'll blame Jesus instead. Who knows.
  

  Anyway, for reference here is one place where it is clearly stated:-

  *** w04 2/1 p. 20 par. 10 “The Scene of This World Is Changing” ***
  So Satan the Devil is the guilty troublemaker, and his ouster from heaven in 1914 has meant “woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”—Revelation 12:10, 12.